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>> great to see you. >> great to see you. that's our fox report this sunday, september 1st. wow, the unofficial end of summer, can you believe it? i am harris faulkner. thanks a lot for watching. now a fox urgent on the crisis in syria. huckabee will begin in minutes. a quick update on developments concerning possible american strike on syria. i am harris faulkner. members of congress coming back to washington this sunday. some 70 of them for a classified briefing on capitol hill. and we're getting an idea of what is emerging about the intelligence behind the push for a military strike against the assad regime in syria. secretary of state john kerry now says it was sarin gas used to kill more than a thousand citizens, many of them children. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is live for us inside washington tonight.
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catherine, you're learning about the amount and quantity of the intel. >> reporter: it seemed clear there was divide among democrats. one told fox news they were not satisfied with the quality of the information from on the ground in syria. >> i am certainly concerned about the quality of the intelligence from within syria. i think that there's a lot more intelligence and they're going to have to give to the congress before you get the kind of majority that they need to press ahead. >> reporter: friday, the administration released this five page assessment on the intelligence, and today lawmakers were able to look at some of the raw data, including satellite photos, a human intelligence source saying as well as electronic intercepts. one lawmaker saying what they saw today was voluminous. >> when you read that
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intelligence report, i have been told i can say it is multiple sources, it says it here in the report. it says these all source assessments are based on human signal and geospacial intelligence. so it is broad based. >> reporter: what some lawmakers told fox away from the cameras is that they felt a lot of the intelligence, even the lion's share of the intelligence came from foreign intelligence agencies. that's not uncommon, but that was the same road we traveled back in 2003 that led to the faulty intelligence that took us to war in iraq. >> what was the major headline that came out about this, catherine? >> reporter: it seemed to be in 2003 the faulty intelligence cast a shadow over the briefing today. what we heard from lawmakers is that the administration really went out of its way, bringing five briefers who discussed the four pillars of this intelligence assessment, which
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concluded that the syrian regime was responsible for that chemical weapons attack. the four pillars being the identification of nerve agent, in this case believed to be sarin gas. second, the delivery system, in this case rockets. third, what they called a chain of custody, so who cold the chemical agents and the delivery systems, and number four, the chain of command, who called the shots and launched that chemical weapons attack, and some lawmakers telling fox today they still wanted to hear more. >> i don't think many of our constituents understand the full significance of chemical and biological warfare, that's something the president has got to spend some time explaining the significance of that and why it is off limits with regard to 98% of the world. >> reporter: in simple terms, lawmakers want to have that kind of detailed information so if there is a military strike, they can make that case and sell that
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case to their voters back home, harris. >> catherine herridge reporting tonight, thank you very much. we have been looking into the poisonous toxin the assad regime may have used against its own people. secretary of state john kerry told our own anchor chris wallace blood and hair samples collected showed traces of sarin gas, a chemical the cdc says is 500 times more toxic than cyanide. joining us, dr. mark siegel, member of the fox news medical team and professor of medicine. good to see you. >> hi, harris. >> specifically sarin gas, what do we know about it. >> it is one of the most toxic nerve gases around, the most volatile, can change from liquid to vapor quickly, get into the environment. developed in 1938 by germans for use as a pesticide, it is now only man-made. it was never found in the environment. and initially its colorless,
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odorless, you don't know you have been exposed to it, but you start to feel some drooling, shortness of breath, eyes start to water, you start to cough, then you can rapidly develop twitching, convulsions, seizures. it can kill in minutes. you have to use anti-doets, at ri peen, pry oh docks even, they work if they're administered quickly. >> would those be things they would have their hands on dealing with some of the horrible images of people d they have ere they able to that in the medicine cabinet? >> they would not. one thing that can work is you have to get your clothes off, you havegnéko shower right
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ultimately you die of suffocation. it is a horrible death. this is the reason obviously why the reaction. >> i don't want you to weigh too much into the politics of this, but i know that you've read up on this, so i have to ask it. when you talk about releasing this kind of detail to the american public and to lawmakers on capitol hill, do you see any advantage or disadvantage in telling us that this was actually sarin or just saying it was a chemical weapon? >> i think sarin, great question. sarin has a certain connotation to the american public since tokyo in 1995 when it was in the subway, people are very fearful of sarin, it creates a fear. it is one of the most deadly around, and you can't see it. that creates more fear. the thing is, harris, it can be tested for. it works on tests of the hair
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and blood. if they can prove it is sarin, that information is valuable to know. we do not want speculation but actual fact is very important here. >> absolutely, dr. mark siegel. we're getting some of that from you tonight. thank you very much. as we told you a few minutes ago, a busy sunday on this long holiday weekend, inside the beltway. congressional members from both sides of the political aisle getting that confidential briefing on the crisis playing out in syria today, and some of the details that included what the doctor was educating us on sarin gas. the obama administration tried to convince congress to approve a strike on the assad regime for alleged use of chemical weapons on its own people. pet peter doocy, what are lawmakers saying. some are getting calls from the administration now. >> reporter: there are a lot of raised eyebrows from lawmakers that attended the classified, members only briefing. one democratic congresswoman, leslie hahn estimated that the
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room was split 50/50, meaning half support authorizing use of force against the assad regime and half don't. and the biggest problem that lawmakers have right now is with the resolution the white house sent over. that resolution that would authorize action in syria. democrats and republicans alike just think it is too broad. >> while i will not support a blank check to go to war in iraq, or even a partial blank check, i would support a very narrowly tailored, narrowly crafted resolution that made it clear that u.s. troops would not be on the ground. >> reporter: and the democratic minority leader, steny hoyer came out, said he thinks president obama has authority to act against assad no matter how congress votes, and that comes along today, harris, with news
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that democratic leadership will not pressure democrats in the house to support the president on the authorization vote. >> peter, the next big day to watch i understand what you say for briefings would be tuesday, if they don't start convening earlier as we saw today. >> reporter: that would be next tuesday, september 9th, on the congressional calendar when the house and senate are supposed to come back, both are to convene at 2:00 p.m. but there are many meetings scheduled through the week before that. harris? >> thank you. i am harris faulkner. stay with fox news, foxnews.com for updates on the crisis in syria. "huckabee" begins after this quick break. lc dulcolax is comfort-coated for gentle, over-night relief. dulcolax. predictable over-night relief you can count on. ♪ nothing says, "i'm happy to see you too," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪
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sending out dozens of resumes. sherry, let me just ask what kind of feedback you've been getting from the employers that you're hoping will hire you. >> hi, governor. i have had kind of an interesting experience with the interviewing. i looked at opportunities where i might be going into an entry level position, and one of the questions asked of me is pretty typical, what is your long term goals, where would you like to be in say five years. and i say of course that i would like to apply my skills and be able to grow with the company, learn their business, and be able to grow with them, and the response that i've had to that has been kind of surprising that well, we're a small company, we're not really planning on growing. most people don't get the opportunity to move up or grow in our company.
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that's just not in the plans right now. and that goes against pretty much everything i've learned about business, both in school and out in the real world, that you constantly need to be adapting to the market and growing. >> sherri, i appreciate you being here. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> joining us, tamera holder, fox news contributor. tamera says the president is making progress creating jobs. you have to convince me. i guess i'm not seeingeth i will mer man singing everything is coming up hoses. >> all americans on the left and right agree we have seen a stagnant economy. we have seen very slow growth. it is definitely not what president obama hoped and dreamed, it is not what the average american hoped and dreamed about, but it is slow, it is stagnant. he prevented a huge depression. i am not going back to bush started it kind of thing. >> you're not? that will be the first time a liberal didn't blame bush for
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it. hey, we're making progress. that was progress, tamera. >> i can blame bush on other things if you want to get me started, but i think that everybody is discouraged. the problem is that republicans are obstructionists, and instead of talking about how to beget more americans back to work, we're seeing them talk about how do we cut food stamps, like every person on food stamps is a lazy recipient. that's not true. they're hard working people, working minimum wage jobs, doing minimum wage jobs, underemployed and need it to support the family. >> i wouldn't argue, a lot of people are on government assistance out of necessity. that's not an argument from me. >> then why does your party want to cut. >> you're talking to me, that's d.c. and sometimes they're as out of touch as obama is. >> so it is both sides. >> it is both sides, except for this. it was the president's policies that are making it very
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difficult for business owners to make long term plans, the tax consequences, 20 taxes in obama care, 16 already in effect. the fact that the payroll tax went back up, those are real issues that curb people from hiring. so why is it that the president's policies, if they're as good as you say they are, why haven't they resulted in a stimulus package, why hasn't it resulted in something other than this very anemic recovery. >> it is not the president's policies that are the problem, they're part of the problem, but it is corporations' behaviors. mcdonald's, domino's, all these corporations paying people lesser wages and making profits. mcdonald's posted second quarter profits again. >> would it be better if they were losing money? would you be happier? >> no, but i think -- but, no, no, no, but i think if a company makes money, they should reward the people that are helping them make the money, the workers. the company is making the money
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because the guy standing at the cash register is selling the burgers to the drive thru customer. >> i wish every company could pay more. what if they can't pay more because of the cost of doing business and the cost of what business will be in the next quarter is such they can't continue to do it. plus, let's face it, a lot of companies, you may not understand, they have investors, and if they don't return something to the investors, the investors don't invest and the company goes out of business and everyone loses a job. i am not defending low pay. i think people should pay good money for the jobs they do. that's what i said in the monologue. what i want to specifically ask you to explain to me is how come it is that the obama policies have not resulted in anything other than a massive downturn in full-time employment. we have a part time nation now. >> see, this is typical republican scare tactics. massive downturn. there is no massive downturn here. we have seen a slow growth. we have seen -- and i agree, the
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numbers aren't necessarily that great, when you see front page of mother jones of all publications saying that the numbers are deceptive, you know, we all see it on both sides of the fence, but the point is is that we're at a time now where there's a lot of instability, whether you talk to somebody on wall street or talk to economists or people on the left and right and we need to keep going at a pace of investing in our workers and how do we do that? i agree with cutting corporate taxes, cutting small business owners' taxes, that's what obama is trying to do. >> i missed that part of his policy. stay with us. we'll bring you back. and dirty jobs host, mike rowe is talking about the value of blue collar jobs. first, why the president's policies keep them from hiring anybody. we'll be right back. ♪
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christina bellows recently lost her job as a manager at a non-profit she recently lost her job, needs benefits, can't find a job that offers any. christina, when you talk to potential employers, say what are the benefits, what kind of response are you getting? >> well, first of all, sometimes it doesn't even go there, because with the first interview, they don't talk about benefits, they say benefits are provided but they don't necessarily say what kind of benefits, and i don't necessarily bring it up, nor do they bring that conversation up. >> i hope things get better for you. i know that your situation is like that of so many people in the country, desperately looking for work. obviously you're willing to take
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some cuts from what you had, but you still have to be able to live. we wish you very well, christina. thank you. [ applause ] we're joined by a couple of small business owners. they want to grow their businesses, would like to hire more employees but can't. we talked to them in the past, both have been on the show. we're very happy to have them back. william marst, and gina martin of little rock tours. great to have you both back. gina, i'll start with you. when we talked before, when you were on the show, you were telling us how obama care was very complicated, making it difficult for you to know if you got to the 50 level of employees, that was going to throw you into a whole new realm. have things simplified, gotten better, are they still confusing to you? >> they're still confusing for sure. they aren't any better, and simply because here we sit again. we know we have that one year
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extension that has happened since the last time we spoke, but really things are not any better. we're still faced with just enormous cost increases for providing the health care that we provide, so we're having to look at decisions in our business to see do we even continue to pay the health care coverage with the employees that we pay it for now, because not only is health care insurance going up, the regulations are going up, the unemployment taxes going up, disability is going up, every single aspect of what we do keeps going up and up. >> here is what i find interesting. the affordable care act was supposed to make health care more affordable, supposed to make it more accessible. your employees were already getting health care. now they're threatened with not getting it at all because the cost of the affordable care is not affordable. did i get that right? >> that's right. >> i think that's pretty -- it kind of goes against what should be happening.
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william, when you were here before, you talked about the challenges you face. you have a smaller company, handful of employees. how does the current policies of the government, whether it is obama care or tax policies, how does that keep you from growing? >> well, you hit the nail on the head, governor. you said this the affordable care act was supposed to, quote, bend the cost curve down. my health insurance agent came into my office about a week ago, said in 2014 when obama care is instituted you should expect your rates to go up 40 to 50%. 40 to 50%, after we have seen successive increases year after year of 10 to 15%. the fact is the affordable care act is nothing of the sort, it is totally unaffordable. furthermore, what's going to happen in small businesses like mine across the country is the rates are going to become totally unaffordable. at that point, employers will no longer offer health benefits. when that happens, employees will be effectively thrown to the curb. they'll join into the obama care
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arrangement, and the cost of obama care will balloon. so what you're seeing today and the unaffordability of the plan is just the beginning of a tidal wave that will hit business. you ask what we're doing, keep our heads down and helmets on. to try to understand what kind of operational environment we have in several years' time is impossible. my job is to make sure my men are employed, that food is on their table, that their mortgages are being paid, and i can't risk that future for them, for me and my family when the future is so terribly uncertain. >> i hear both of you saying even though you provide health care for your employees, it may get to the place you can no longer do that, it would be less expensive to pay the penalty, that would be a lot less expensive for you. then when you do that, your employees still are required by law to go out and find health care, which is going to be a whole lot more expensive for them.
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so how is this helpful to your business and to your employees? >> well, this isn't helpful at all. not only that, i would have to say the timing of this is awful because we're all seeing and william and i were talking back stage, we were talking about all of the increased regulations on top of the health care. the timing couldn't be worse. i would also like to say that i hear a lot, well, corporations are greedy. i want to make it clear, this isn't about greed for most businesses, this is about survival, and it gets down to you only have so much money, and you have to allocate what you want to do with that money. if you throw it into health care, you don't have a business. so these are the choices that we're faced with. >> in the little time we have, i want both of you to tell me if you anticipate that you will hire new people over the next 12 to fifteen months, will you let go people, because you can't afford them any more, are you hoping to hang on to what you
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got? william? >> well, we're not looking to hire in this environment. the market -- >> is it the environment? would you be hiring if it was a different climate? >> opportunity for american manufacturing is unbelievable. if you look at natural resources, the growth in the global economy, the innovation history in america, our human capital, american manufacturing has a once in a lifetime opportunity to expand and once again dominate the world, and it breaks my heart that at 40 years old, relatively young business owner, my outlook on the future is not what it should be. >> gina, what about you quickly? >> you have a fire in the belly if you're an entrepreneur as it is. i would say that the opportunities with our business and growth, they have certainly been stymied years ago, especially with this administration, because there's so much uncertainty out there. we never know what's coming down the pike, and we don't know with health care increases and everything else what we're going to do.
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right now, what we're looking to do really, you've heard this a lot, is increase your -- decrease your costs by turning your full-time workers into part-time workers, so that's one of the things that we have thought about doing with our business, and we really are looking at whether or not certain positions in our company are necessary because it is a fight for survival. >> we'll keep in touch with both of you. appreciate your being back today. if you want a good paying job, what about getting a job to get your hands dirty? mike rowe, host of hit show "dirty jobs" shows us how attitudes toward blue collar trade could be, could be the solution to high unemployment rates. stay with us. blue-collar trade could be why do people count on sunsweet prune juice to stay fit on the inside? it's made only from prunes, nothing else. it works, simple as that. it's a natural source of fiber and five essential vitamins. it's the smart choice for me. stay fit on the inside with sunsweet's amazing juices.
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live from america's news headquarters, harris faulkner with the latest developments in the crisis in syria. president obama is now engaged in what's described by one white house the most extensive lobbying of his administration. a flurry of phone calls, expected to resume tomorrow after making some tonight, the president and top aides reach out to congress, they're urging lawmakers to vote in favor of authorizing a military strike against syria, leading the charge on the sunday shows, secretary of state john kerry. >> from individuals who are engaged as first responders in east damascus, i can report to
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you today, they have tested positive for signatures of sarin. >> talking about sarin gas use on citizens. earlier, some 70 house members wrapped up a briefing with top military advisers. i am harris faulkner. headlines log on to foxnews.com. [ cheers and applause ] max lieberman graduated in 2008, with a degree in chemical engineering, then a master's in energy economics and engineering in 2012. his education makes him an ideal candidate for the green jobs the obama administration is promoting. but five years on, he still can't find a job that matches his education. max, we hear about a lot of green jobs. you have been five years out there beating the pavement. have you thought about relocating maybe to houston or oklahoma city where the oil and gas jobs are? is that something you've even looked at? >> i thought about it and exercised on it.
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sent my resume to people in california, texas, canada, overseas, had my ears to the ground. it is the same story where i go. always we respect your education, sounds great on paper, but we're just not hiring anybody for your position now. and it baffles me because everybody told me for years, whether it was my family, friends, advisers in school, that i am on track. everything is going well and the government wants to support me. same story everywhere i go, can't find the job, it is not there for you. >> you have two prestigous degrees from a very prestigious university. what are you doing now? >> i am working for an energy company that helps people save money on their building costs. so portfolio managers, building owners now, but it is low grade and i want to expand and get something better. frankly, mike, i want to make the salary that i know i can live off more comfortably and live to enrich my own life, and that's not something i am doing now.
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again, i have been looking and it is just not happening for me. >> maybe being on the show you'll get a call. >> why not. >> max, we want to hire you. i hope so. talk to mike, maybe he has something for you. >> i am hiring. >> thank you, max, great to have you here. that ivy league education may land him a job, but maybe an expensive college degree isn't the path. -- isn't always the best path. a lot of people should consider a career in skilled labor. mike rowe is host of discovery channel hit show "dirty jobs." he also has a foundation, mike rowe works, helps people train for well paying jobs in skilled labor. mike, it is a real pleasure having you here. >> nice to be here. [ cheers and applause ] >> you're talking about something, mike, that's near and dear to my heart, that is that a college degree is not always the ticket to a good career, and yet we're told that, you know, if
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you go to college, you're going to be able to get a good job and make a lot of money. >> look, it is a difficult thing to talk about because the minute you take a position that's contrary to the prevailing narrative, you're seen as anti-college. well, look, not all knowledge comes from college, all right? there's been a thing -- [ applause ] it is so easy, i think, to confuse the cause of the thing with the symptom of a thing. and a lot of things that we talk about today, a lot of the headlines from the skills gap to unemployment to currency devaluation to the changing face of the modern day -- whatever it is, these are symptoms in my opinion of a bigger problem, that's a relationship with work that is on dirty jobs, we saw it again and again and again, people were continually surprised to see how happy the people were that we met, and to see how prosperous they were. so there's a chronology in all things. in college, look, i wouldn't trade my degree, but when i got
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out of high school, i didn't know what i wanted to do. i went to a community college. i spent two-and-a-half years at 40 bucks a credit. so you can afford to fail, right? trying to figure out, trying to figure out what it is i wanted to do with the useful part of my career, and it took awhile to sort it out. i feel lucky because i did it in the right order. i never took on any debt. in the end, i'm okay. >> you know, there's a poster that you saw i think in high school guidance, we have a shot of it. >> that's what i meant when i talked about cause versus symptoms. this is the single worst piece of advice i got. when i was a senior, my guidance counselor called me down to talk about my future. he suggested james madison or university of maryland. did pretty good on my exams. i told him the story, he pointed to the poster, he said which one of you guys do you want to be. if you see the caption on the
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bottom, work smart not hard. that's where the old chestnut began and that poster was part of an early college recruitment. on my website, we have redone that to say work smart -- >> it is a small thing. >> we are challenging people to get them hung in classrooms around the country because the argument is really simple. if you're a society that took the advice of work smart not hard, if you really do believe you can separate hard work from success, then a lot of things we're dealing with now start to make sense. i don't want to sound like somebody's angry uncle on the porch screaming at kids to get off the lawn, but look, i don't care if you work for mcdonald's or for william's company that was just out here, if you show up early, if you stay late, and if you volunteer for the hard stuff, you're going to run that organization before too long. we just don't talk about that. >> that's such an important piece of advice.
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and i think we have almost diminished the importance of people that do work with their hands. i value that. when i am on an airplane and it has a mechanical problem, i am more excited to see a certified mechanic than a history major come near the airplane. >> no kidding. >> it is as simple as that. that job can't be outsourced. i told people, if you need a plumber, you can't outsource the toilet, send it to china, have them send it back. >> that would be very expensive. look, again, it is not about this is bad or this is good. this is a skills gap, all right, something, the bls at the top of the show was interesting, but it is another inconvenient piece of the narrative that nobody talks about. there are 3 million jobs available right now, companies like caterpillar struggling to find heavy equipment mechanics. these are good jobs, okay? >> what do they pay. >> you can start there mid 40s, with a couple years experience, 120, 130 a year.
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>> do you have an application with you? >> but it is simply a question of what do we value, what do we celebrate. it is like manufacturing. if you look at detroit and consider all of the things that went wrong, for me it just starts with our relationship with that which we make, our relationship with making things, you know. we're just missing the headline in the conversation over and over and over. >> if you had a piece of advice you could give to the president and to congress, what would you tell them? >> look, first of all, i'm not an expert, never want to put myself out there as one. i would say the reality of the situation right now, vis-a-vis alternative education, we have to make a case for the trades. we have to start with an awareness, a campaign, a public relations campaign that challenges perceptions and stigmas. three million shovel ready jobs from four or five years ago is a great idea, i had a dirty jobber tell me when that was announced, look, that will be a tough sell.
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you're talking to a country that no longer has a relationship with a shovel. you have to start at the beginning. so i would say let's maybe step back a little bit, have a broader conversation. i would say $1 trillion in student loans is no joke. and i would conclude by suggesting that we are lending money we don't have to kids who can't pay it back to train them for jobs that no longer exist. that's nuts. >> you know what, mike, that's common sense. that's why mike is going to stay with us. after the break, we bring back some guests to expand the discussion. we'll talk more about is america becoming a part time nation. we'll be right back. [ applause ] becoming a part-time nation? we'll be right back. what person in this audience, who doesn't who doesn't want health care from an employer, who doesn't want protection? >> i wouldn't, personally, i mean, unless that was a rhetorical question, i don't expect the person that hires me
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unionize. stephanie. how would the union in the fast food arena, how would that help you, do you believe? >> everything is power of numbers. if i was to go to my boss or corporation on my own with a problem, i wouldn't get anything done, versus going through a union with a union behind me, i think the outcome would be much more successful. >> sometimes the union dues become very expensive. would you lose more than you might gain if you go from 7.25 an hour to $8 an hour, but the union wages or union dues cost you? >> no, i don't think i would because, you know, it all falls back on if i get $8 an hour, that would be a start, that would be more than 7.25, and i would be able to live comfortably. >> stephanie, i hope you do well, i really do.
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it is a tough break to lose the job you had that was paying you a whole lot better than what you're doing now. i appreciate your being here and sharing your story and your perspective. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. joining me now again, mike rowe, tamara holder, keith hall is back. let's address the issue. is unionization of fast food workers, is that viable, tamara? >> absolutely. >> you think it is? >> absolutely. this is an industry that has a very high turnover, we're seeing so many workers like stephanie going to fast food places because they have nowhere else to turn, and they're taking whatever job they can. but we're also seeing they're paying people just barely above minimum wage, and these are people 46% of these people are age 21 to 35. they have families, they have kids. they need to pay for more than just whatever $8.95 an hour can
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pay for. >> mike, does unionization help or does it raise prices so high people can't afford to go there. >> it is a bit beyond my pay grade. what's interesting to me is look, the union conversation is about the relationship between the worker and the boss. the conversation that i'm personally obsessed with is about the relationship between a few hundred million americans and work. work and labor are different things. and i think it is really easy to talk about two different things accidently at the same time when you talk about this story and the topic that we were just talking about, which one informs the other, right? i wish her well, too. i mean, honestly, my liberal friends and my conservative friends seem to want the same thing, whether the issue is rent control, unionization, minimum wage. they just disagree on what's the
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symptom and what's the cause. that's still missing from the conversation. that's a long way of saying -- >> but not talking protection of workers. governor huckabee, i worked with unions, i represented railroad workers who were fired in the name of homeland security and they had to go to their unions to get their protection from their employers, and so i understand what personally as working with people, why the unions are important. back in the day, unions were created because of poor workplace conditions. we don't really have that any more. now we're talking about a different form of protection, health care, whether or not you like obama care, health care. these are things that workers need and want. >> but the unions are totally disenchanted with obama care. james hoffa's letter was scathing that he wrote to the president. >> and i'm not defending. i didn't defend obama care. my statement, let me make it clear, my statement did not defend obama care, but what unions do is they protect workers and make sure they have
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proper health care. what person in this audience, who doesn't want health care from an employer? who doesn't want protection? >> i wouldn't personally, unless it was a rhetorical question, i don't expect the person that hires me to take care of me in every aspect of my life. i just don't do it. that's just me. >> as a self employed person, i expect my employer to take care of that, but i am self employed. >> i am a small business owner, i pay my own health insurance. >> i want to bring in keith. help us understand, this isn't something that's just about numbers and figures, it is about real people with some real hurt in their lives, but it does get to the point of what is a better answer than asking the government to come in and demand certain things? is there a market solution or do we have to wait for the government to come in and order people to treat their employees right?
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>> that's not the right way to get things done, to get higher wages. you want higher wages because businesses are growing and they want to hire people and have to pay them more to get good people on board. the story we just heard, the problem i see is not that she doesn't get paid more at a fast food place, it is that she lost a job to begin with and had to retreat to a fast food job. and to the point about work ethic, et cetera, and fast food. right now we're at an all time low with teenagers. about 25% of teenagers have work now, that's an all time low, and that's typically been where fast food workers come from. if we've got three quarters of teenagers not working, not having work experience when they head into their working age, that's a problem. >> mike, i want to address something. mcdonald's takes a lot of heat for low paying jobs, working at mcdonald's. my son worked in mcdonald's when he was in high school.
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i tell you something, mcdonald's was a good place to work. he learned when to show up, he learned discipline. there was a very strict order of doing things, and the management that oversaw his production frankly was a very important part of teaching some of the fundamentals. now, he's not still working at mcdonald's, but you know what? i was not the least bit ashamed and neither was he that he had the job. >> people don't talk about the skills gap. but what they really don't talk about because it is awkward, potentially touchy, are soft skills. you show up on time, tuck your shirt in. i mean, it is so fundamental. [ applause ] i have been really lucky in my own life, with the people i get to talk to. i can't tell you, every state, every employer i talked to, the single hardest thing to do is find people who are hungry and eager and attitude, attitude,
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attitude. you can't teach and attitude, attitude, attitude. you can't teach it. >> shaking their head. >> i worked at mcdonald's when i was a junior in high school. i did noit like it. i wanted something better and i understand what working in fast food does for you and your psyche and skills, but this is the most disgusting argument, that you should take a low wage job. it's like an abusive relationship. well, where are you going to do? either stay in this nice house with me. you have a bed, food and water. but because you can't leave this abusive relationship, where are you going to go? you can't go out to some shelter, you're homeless without me, so we can pay you nothing. >> i think you're missing the point. if you are better even at this low skilled job than anybody around you, you won't stay in that job. you will find a way to move up.
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>> 2% of the jobs at mcdonald's, 2.2%, are managerial. they're all low wage jobs. >> we're out of time. i'll treat you all to a big mac after the show. >> thank you very much. coming up, i've got some closing thaukts. stay with us.
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with the latest development on the crisis in syria. just a few hours ago, some 70 house members emerged from a broefing by advisers and tonight, lawmakers appear to be split on whether to grant approval for a possible strike.
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>> white house has the evidence -- senate foreign relations committee will hold a committee. now back to huckabee. you're watching the most powerful name in new, fox. if you'd like to be a part of our studio audience, call or write. >> i've had a paying job since i was 14. it empowered me to become the first male in my family to even graduate high school and go on to college. when i was a teenager, i had two jobs for a while. my job at kxar radio in hope, arkansas, helped me to learn how
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to communicate, keep up with world events and develop much needed confidence. my job at j.c. penny taught me the hard work voifinvolved in unloading freight trucks and made me to this day really ticked off when people put their hands on the glass of a door instead of the handle because i was the kid that had to run to the front of the store with the w w windex. i've lost jobs that i wants, including one that came with a nice house in 1600 washington. and i've often been paid a lot less than what i thought i was worth and sometimes, i've been paid more than i deserved. but still, less than i would have liked. a couple of times, i've had jobs that ended and i had no idea what i was going to do to pay my bills or feed my family. but i found something to do. even if it was not anything like what i was educated to do or
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enjoyed doing. now, if i were unable to find a job far below my capacity, i'm not sure yikd handle it. i'd probably go door to door to sweep or rake leaves. i've worked so long, i don't know how to not work. it's one reason why i think the highest urgency of our government is to create the highest of opportunity people to work. the job is not just how we put bread on our table. the it's how we put life and hope into our soul. that's our show for tonight. hope you've enjoyed being here. until next week, from new york, this is mike huckabee. good night and god glesz. from this [ female announcer ] when they wake up dry in pampers, mornings have more tickles, kisses, and cuddles. unlike other diapers, pampers has 3 absorbent layers, and up to 12 hours of overnight protection. [ laughs ] [ female announcer ] pampers. does your dog food have?
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